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All the ones I have seen carry the normal Conn bell stencil and serial number configuration.
They seem to correspond with the contemporary Conn model and not the Pan American.
3) There are stencils, commonly referred to as Conn stencils from the 1917-1918 time period.
Since Pan American as a line was started in 1917 and these stencils have differences from the standard Conn line, I would classify them as Pan American stencils, not Conn. This would be consistent with the brass, with the exception that the brass did start from serial 1 and went to"P" with serials in the P13000 range.
Based on the others I have recorded, I am assuming this one is also silver? I actually took the serial numbers of the pictures found.
On a side note, today I met the local Conn-Selmer representative. Jaye PDX, I have some questions on the list: 1) 54040 I have as a Geo M Bundy 46M tenor. 2) On the examples with partial numbers, do you in fact have the complete numbers? I have seen you request on a 50XXX on another thread. Interestingly enough, I had received some of the same numbers from Stocker.
The names include America First, Liberty, Common-Wealth, Soloiste, International, Continental, Continental Colonial and Continental Clarion (Cavalier line).
" thread The results of the brass study are posted on the Conn Loyalist site and horn-u-copia site.
I started gathering serial numbers for Pan American woodwinds back in January to prove they are under a system different than brass.
By March, I was able to prove this owing to several duplicated numbers.
f) 46082 lowest new 1931 model recorded (first use of globe and eagle stencil) . g) 53861 first use of "Pat App'd For" in serial number stamp. h) 54040 - 42M introduced as Geo M Bundy (also includes 46M). i) 55009 - 46M (Bandmaster Artist) highest number for both 42M and 46M j) War conversion stated in Jun 1941, July 1942 civilian production stopped, only military allowed. Highest from previous models 56969 - Need confirmation of model start 58M or 60M. If you have documentation, please share it so I can start to lock in the dating system. I wish to contribute my list to yours:https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...=1#post2068781 Reply#7 has my list. I have a stencil Supertone Bandmaster with serial 5833, a Pan Am split-bell tenor with no front F or Eb Fork. I am assuming this one (5833) has the 1915 Hardy patent stamp and the T type as opposed to the Mercedes type key guard?
l) 167283 Highest pre-consolidation serial recorded m) There are some 5000 serial saxes recorded. if so, it's actually out of the Cavalier lineand is based on the 96M.